host: bob, welcome to the conversation. caller: thank you very much. i happen to be one of those snow angels that the other lady -- host: is very happy about. [laughter] caller: i lived through the depression, so you can imagine how all i am. i wanted to comment on this recession that we're going through. it started 60 years ago when a new england lost its leather industry. that is a terrible blow to this country, we hope it doesn't continue. then 40 years ago, it lost its apparel industry trade in large plant -- i met a gentleman who worked for a plant in south america, and i asked him what he did, and he took care of all the machinery. "we have 12 plants in south america --" host: i have to jump in, because we are just about out of time. exporting jobs in the earlier part of the 20th-century -- what was behind that? there was not a nafta agreement. guest: but it still had to do with the changing global economy. for the u.s., it made more sense, purely economically, to buy it cheaper from a lower- cost country. look at what happened in the uk. they we